Polarization in pump probe example


#1

Hi,

I am currently following the pump probe example
(https://kb.lumerical.com/en/pump_probe_simulation.html)

I think transmission of this file should be the same with transmission if I change the polarization of pump and probe by pi/2 since the gain material is isotropic and the design (which is just a slab in air) is symmetric.

But the transmission of the two cases are different.
Can anyone explain what is wrong in the simulation?


#2

hi @kmk961120

You are absolutely right. We should not observe any change in results when we use y- or z-polarized light. I have encountered other problems with this simulations which concerned me more about it. I just wanted to let you know that I am working on this case and will get back to you once I have a clear answer for you.

Thank you for your patience.


#3

Thank you for the reply. I am very happy to hear that the support team is helping me.

In that specific pump probe example, after I posted that question, I found out that FDTD setting is 2D, and got same result for y- and z- polarization after I changed it to 3D with symmetric condition for y and z.

But I am working on some C4 structure where gain material is embedded, and getting different results depending on the polarization while the passive system (replacing gain to other dielectric material) gives same results.

Also, I got different transmission spectrum depending on the mesh size. (The overall structure is same but scale is different)

Thank you for your concern and let me know if you find out the problem.


#4

Dear @kmk961120

I spend quite a lot of time with my colleagues to solve the problem. We had some progress but I am not still convinced that the model works properly. I will start working on this problem when I am back.

I was focused on 2D only, but its interesting that your results for different polarization match in 3D. Did you do any simulations in 3D with different mesh sizes?

Here is the summary that I did:

a) I realized that medium monitor that stores the population is located at the center of the gain material. However, since the pump is strong and material is largely absorbent (a big portion of incoming light intensity gets absorbed on the first cell), cells behavior along material will not be identical. As a result while you are seeing a normal behavior in the central cell, the cells that receive light earlier behave non-normal and population inversion plots don’t make sense. You can check this by adding monitors at different locations and plotting population (Please see my simulation file at the end which includes three different location in one cell). One plausible answer that this model fails might be because this model is good only for materials thin enough to be considered 2D (only one or two mesh cells). I still need to do more work on this to convince myself!

b) I reduced the pump intensity. In the original file it was so strong that inversion plot had a sharp rise and some of the pump light was red shifted in the probe frequency. This generated light was strong and overlapping with delayed probe pulse and transmission results were not very reliable (as it includes both pump and probe light).

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Also, I got different transmission spectrum depending on the mesh size. (The overall structure is same but scale is different)
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I agree and I noticed this before. Again, it looks like this model is not capable of capturing bulk material properties (where we expect identical behavior along the material).

Even with the above mentioned modifications, my results still vary with mesh size :pensive:

Please keep me updated if you got any new results and I hope we can resolve the issue.

Bests